Diminished arp fingering

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Diminished arp fingering

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Hi to all

i need the best ergonomical way to play this diminished arpeggio for the left hand, i've tryied with the classical 1-4 fingering but i have some problems, i don't think it's the best way during a speed passage.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -7-10
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 6 - 9 - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4 - 7 - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - 3 - 6 - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - 2 - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- 1 - 4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

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Post by Eb9 »

Try,

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4-7-10
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 6 - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4 - 7 - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - 3 - 6 - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - 2 - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- 1 - 4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

using your 1st and 3rd fingers until the F on the 6th fret of the B string, where I use my 2nd finger, then slide you first finger between the G# and the B on the top E string. Alternatively as your fingering suggests slide your 2nd finger between the F and G# on the B string.


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exactly. also, remember that you can play the "leading tones" to this arpeggio also and it will result in the FULL hw diminished scale.
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Re: Diminished arp fingering

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emicad wrote:Hi to all

i need the best ergonomical way to play this diminished arpeggio for the left hand, i've tryied with the classical 1-4 fingering but i have some problems, i don't think it's the best way during a speed passage
Try using 1st and 3rd fingers or even 1st and 2nd like Django. 8)
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djangology wrote:exactly. also, remember that you can play the "leading tones" to this arpeggio also and it will result in the FULL hw diminished scale.
can you make me an example? I have not understood a lot
sorry but my english is not so good...
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this is the D HW diminished/octatonic scale, as played over a D7/Am6 chord shape, derived by playing the standard diminished arpeggio and then simply adding leading tones, which I have highlighted in red:

-------------------------------4-5-7-8-
---------------------------6-7---------
-------------------4-5-7-8-------------
-----------3-4-6-7---------------------
---2-3-5-6-----------------------------
-5-------------------------------------

This is the "organic" way of remembering the diminished scale (the HW dom7b9 flavor). You dont need to know "theory" to understand this one.

NOTE1: this might confuse you but: over the A7 chord shape at the fifth position you add leading tones to all notes except the root, which IS a leading tone.

---|----------------------------------5-6-8-9-
---|------------------------------7-8---------
-6-|----------------------5-6-8-9-------------
-5-|--------------4-5-7-8---------------------
---|------3-4-6-7-----------------------------
-5-|--5-6-------------------------------------

NOTE2: you can also add leading tones to a major arp and you will end up with the 3harmonic minor scale, which is the harmonic minor of a tonic III chord, but I still havent figured out how to use that.
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Post by RICK-D15 »

A neat trick to use with the diminished scale (or any other scale for that matter) is to play it with some ornamentation, like this:





-----------------------------------------------------------------12--11--12-
--------------------------------------------------11--10--11----------------
----------------------------------------9--8--9------------------------------
-----------------------------8--7--8-----------------------------------------
------------------7--6--7----------------------------------------------------
--------6--5--6--------------------------------------------------------------
"It's all one big note" - Frank Zappa
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thank you to all
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no problem... i love trying to explain things because everytime that I do I will come out learning something for myself...
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djangology wrote:no problem... i love trying to explain things because everytime that I do I will come out learning something for myself...
good, so give me some licks you know, have you something for me?
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keep it in one position

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i like to play it like this. basically one position, then getting fancy on the high e string. this one is pretty moveable to, if you're ever lingering up in the higher registers and need a big fat diminished run.

E - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - 4 - 7 -10
B - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 3 - - - - - - - - -
G - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - 4 - - - - - - - - - - - -
D - - - - - - - - - - - 3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
A - - - - - - 2 - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
E - 1 - 4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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