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Should Teddy go on Mastermind?

Yes, Teddy would wipe the floor with the competition
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No, he would be let down by his lame general knowledge
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Yes, I would like to see him being humiliated
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no, he's far too cute for us to let anything bad happen to him
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15%
 
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Teddy Dupont wrote:- Ask me a question about Django. Go on! Ask me a question about Django.
Jean (in birth certificate, but is it original/real?)
or
Jean-Baptiste (in every encyclopedia incl wikipedia)?


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kimmo wrote:Jean (in birth certificate, but is it original/real?)
or
Jean-Baptiste (in every encyclopedia incl wikipedia)?


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Definitely just Jean because that is what the official documents show and is also what Django thought as he was involved in the preparation of some of the later documents. One document appears to show Django's father as being called Jean Baptiste!!
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Teddy Dupont wrote:
kimmo wrote:Jean (in birth certificate, but is it original/real?)
or
Jean-Baptiste (in every encyclopedia incl wikipedia)?


Kimmo
Definitely just Jean --
So, how come it's Jean-Baptiste (hyphen not mandatory) in all encyclopedias, no matter what their speciality: general, music, jazz or jazz guitar? It's Jean Baptiste also in most biographies - whether dedicated solely to Django or not - including bio-section of Django in the very new French book Jazz manouche, la grande aventure du swing gitan by msieur JB Tuzet? You'd think at least the man's name would be common knowledge by now...

Should we blame Charles Delauney or perhaps Grove's dictionaries?

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kimmo wrote: So, how come it's Jean-Baptiste (hyphen not mandatory) in all encyclopedias, no matter what their speciality: general, music, jazz or jazz guitar? It's Jean Baptiste also in most biographies - whether dedicated solely to Django or not - including bio-section of Django in the very new French book Jazz manouche, la grande aventure du swing gitan by msieur JB Tuzet? You'd think at least the man's name would be common knowledge by now...
The weather is dreadful here today and I am bored so I've trawled through some magazines etc and found a variety of articles between 1938 and 1956 all referring to him soley as "Jean". Alain Antonietto, who could give me a run for my money on Mastermind, says "Jean" and he also says Django's father was called "Jean-Baptiste"
kimmo wrote:Should we blame Charles Delauney ...........?
Almost certainly I would say.

I know you all probably think I am a crouchy old fart but this to me is typical of the continual re-writing of the history of Django Reinhardt and the music he created. Something that has grown in pace over the last decade.
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Teddy Dupont wrote:
kimmo wrote:Should we blame Charles Delauney ...........?
Almost certainly I would say.
Actually on page 32 of his Django biography, Charles Delaunay writes - "He was christened Jean, and they called him Django." So I am beginning to wonder where it all started. I have found a 1964 article by Ken Barnes saying his full name was Jean Baptiste but I've no idea why Ken Barnes thought he knew better than most people before him!
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So... who would like to step forward and edit:
http://www.hotclub.co.uk/gypsyworld/ind ... _Reinhardt

Jean Baptiste "Django" Reinhardt (January 23rd 1910 - May 16th 1953)

Gypsy guitarist who was the main developer of pre-war European Jazz.
etc.

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kimmo wrote:So... who would like to step forward and edit:
http://www.hotclub.co.uk/gypsyworld/ind ... _Reinhardt

Jean Baptiste "Django" Reinhardt (January 23rd 1910 - May 16th 1953)

Gypsy guitarist who was the main developer of pre-war European Jazz.
etc.
This question does not fall within the auspices of the Mastermind format and I therefore refuse to answer it.
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Et voila:-

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His father whose name was actually Jean-Baptiste Eugène Weiss sometimes signed/called himself Jean-Baptiste Reinhard or J B Reinhard (as above) to avoid possible problems with the authorities. :roll:
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:shock: :shock: :shock:
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kimmo wrote:Jean (in birth certificate, but is it original/real?)
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Jean-Baptiste (in every encyclopedia incl wikipedia)?
Perhaps an even more worrying question is whether his surname was "Reinhardt" or "Reinhart". His birth certificate appears to show "Reinhart" with the same spelling for both his parents although his father signs himself "Reinhard".

On his itinerant's licence from 1935, his name is given as "Reinhart" and also "signed" as such but his parents are shown as "Reinhardt".

By 1946 on the passenger list, it had officially become "Reinhardt".

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well if you consider the fact that many gypsies (and probably especially back then) make a lot of spelling mistakes and sometimes don't know how to spell their names, it could very well explain the different spellings of reinhardt.
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Many years ago when I was studying music in London, there was a Belgium guy in my class called Jenko Reinecote. Can you imagine the shit he had to put up with?
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