How to play this lick so fast

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How to play this lick so fast

Postby Cor » Tue Aug 26, 2003 5:03 pm

I found this plick played by many gypsy players.

I have the notes, I can play it half speed.

But how do they play it so fast.

Has someome the right picking for me :D or tips to play this so fast.

Below is the small example:
mp3:
http://www.chordplanet.com/django/lick.mp3 (56KB)

tab:
http://www.chordplanet.com/django/lick.gif (2KB)
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Postby Cor » Thu Aug 28, 2003 7:49 am

Are there no real gypsy players in this forum to help me :cry:
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Postby Djazz Nomad » Thu Aug 28, 2003 9:20 am

Give it eight hours a day and some years. :z:
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Postby Thrip » Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:27 pm

Unfortunately I don't think there's any easy way to play this.

The way I'd approach it is, and I couldn't tell you whether this is the "correct" way or not (probably not):

Slide up with my first finger for the first two notes, beginning on an upstroke. Then two down strokes, the second of which is the first note of the descending run. I then play alternate strokes all the way down, and slide my first finger down one fret to get to the last note of the descent. The last bit is easy enough.
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Postby djangology » Thu Aug 28, 2003 3:30 pm

yeah, Thrip is right... its a hard one if you use the rest stroke technique when your soloing... i am willing to bet that a real gypsy wouldn't even choose that particular lick during a jam unless by accident... where did you find it?
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Postby Meshugy » Thu Aug 28, 2003 4:13 pm

Hi.....

That's a very common Gypsy pattern. The tab looks right to me. The picking is the same as Picking Pattern #9 in my Gypsy Picking Book.

It seems weird at first, but it can be done really fast. There's a least a dozen Gypsy licks based on that pattern.

Good luck!

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Postby Cor » Thu Aug 28, 2003 4:28 pm

Hello Michael,

You must have the greetings from Leo Eimers (The Netherlands)

Just checking pattern 9 from your book.

I will try the up/down strokes you suggested.

The song is Honeysuckle Rose from the Rosenberg Trio album (gypsy summer).

I can play this song for 70% only the fast licks will kill me
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Postby djangology » Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:05 pm

what i meant by my last comment was that the "voicing" of the phrase could have been placed better, in order to match one of the patterns in Michaels book MORE accurately... i wasn't at all suggesting that the notes were wrong...

as it turns out, it matches pattern #9 exactly... pretty cool ... :-)
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Postby woodshedder » Thu Aug 28, 2003 7:37 pm

all righty fellas, link to the book you are speaking of....perty please.
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Postby TedGottsegen » Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:44 pm

woodshedder wrote:all righty fellas, link to the book you are speaking of....perty please.


www.djangobooks.com
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Postby woodshedder » Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:34 pm

*pardon that...'fit wera snake twadda beht meh thryce!

so this is suggested reading, Ted?
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Postby TedGottsegen » Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:35 pm

woodshedder wrote:*pardon that...'fit wera snake twadda beht meh thryce!

so this is suggested reading, Ted?


Most definitely.... :wink:
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Postby campfire » Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:37 am

cor,

Not to be too picky, but the first two pickup notes of your musical example should be Eb and E, rather than D and Eb. And two more F notes at the end. Damn! I gotta get a life.
Thanks for posting the great lick! And Michael H., I'm really getting a lot out of your book. Thanks.

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Postby Jan Primus » Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:53 pm

Larry, Glad you come and hang out here. I appreciate your playing. Wow. I was most pleased to see your band Impromptu doing so many gigs. That is cool. I was also impressed to see you have guitars built by Dell Arte, Dunn and Park! I want that many. I like the Devoe as well, nice clean looking guitar. How do you compare your US made guitars to Nikolas' Eimers? I am not looking or better or worse per se, but more of an evaluative strong and weak point thought process.
Thanks so much.

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Postby campfire » Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:57 am

Jan Primus,

Thanks for the kind words, it means a lot. Are you referring to Leo Eimers guitars? If so, I have first hand experience with only one of his guitars, and that is the recent "Stocholo" model purchased and played by my fellow guitarist and partner in "Impromptu", Nickola Baltic. In general, if this guitar is indicative of Leo's work, then he is truly a master luthier. It is of course, very beautiful. The darkened, aged (I believe French-polished) top is gorgeous. The neck is wide and big like a Selmer is supposed to be. Surprisingly, it is a very dark sounding guitar compared to my Dell 'Arte and my Dunn. (I haven't gotten my Park yet) I would describe the sound as "masculine" for lack of a better descriptive word. It has an almost gutteral sound. For some reason the scale length feels longer than my Dell 'Arte, but we measured them, and they are both the same. (no snide comments, please) This guitar has both a bigtone pickup and an internal mic. It sounds great through Nick's AER Acousti-cube. I really love my DA Manouche however, and for me...it has the best sound of any I've tried. It is perfectly balanced, very quick response, loud but not boomy, and very easy to play, even with fairly high action which I like. My Dunn is almost 10 years old, has a cedar top, and is so bright and loud acoustically, it's almost embarassing. It's the loudest Selmer type guitar I've ever heard, but then, Dunn doesn't follow the rules. It really is a cannon, volume-wise. I hope some of this rambling helps. Sorry for such a long post. Good luck.

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