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Picking Question

Postby Slowhand » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:35 pm

Hello,
I am the for the first time in this forum so
I have a question about pickingtechincs.

I have to play this notes (opening lick):
Hint: These notes are played as sixteenth triplets.

e ----------------------------------5--7--8--10--8--7-------------------
---------------------------5--7--8----------------------10--8--7--10---
----------------4--5--7--------------------------------------------------
-------4--5--7-----------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
E ------------------------------------------------------------------------
.........1...................... 2.......................3........................... 4

This should be play by 120 bpm on an acustic guitar.
( it´s a fast Samba )

How would you play this:
whith alternate picking, pick every note up and down, or mixing
alternate Picking with legato technic (hammer on, pull off).
Maybe Gipsypicking (RestStroke) is a choice ?

I can´t play this lines and that´s terrible thing, because
I´ve wrote this one. ( this is only the intro lick )
When I wrote the samba I had to find (when I had finished everything ) an opening lick.
When someone would like to here the whole thing I can email him the mp3 file ( incl. the int :? ro )
It took me 3 hours to play only the intro, but I would like to play the samba live too and there I have not 100 trials to do this very well...
So I´m looking for a good technic to play this everytime I want .

Can someone please help me ?

Thank you,
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Re: Picking Question

Postby stublag » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:37 pm

d u d d u d d u d d u d d u d d u d d

I'd do downstroke upstroke downstroke(see above);very Django style way of playing triplets
Hope thats useful
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Postby Slowhand » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:41 pm

Thank you Stu,

I´ve tried it but I gues for myself: is this possible by 120 bpm ?
I am at the beginning and so I would like to aks:
What´s advantages of this Django style against the alternate picking ?

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Postby BluesBopHarry » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:57 am

I think what Stublag wrote is the most musical way to do it, however it can be pretty difficult for some parts of your phrase. Here I propose an alternative:
DUD DUD DUD DUDUDU DUDU


DUD for the first two bars, that way every time you change a string you use a sweep, which is very efficient and gives your triplets a nice accent.
When you get to the third bar on the first string you can alternate so the last stroke on the E string is up and then you can play a downstroke on the B string doing DUDU or DUDD whichever one sounds best to you.
You can get it up to speed by practicing with a metronome and speeding it up gradually.
Regarding Gypsy picking(Django`s technique) benefits: It is good for volume, speed(eventually), relaxation, "Gypsy" phrasing, and tone.
It was worth learning for me.
In this particular lick the DUD picking works better than alternate because you use the same stroke for the last note on one string and the first on the next (Sweep picking) for the first two bars, then the alternate on the first and second strings(which by the way can still be GP) is a more efficient way to do it too*, although DUD would probably give you cooler accents.
I hope this helps, good luck!
Enrique
*If your technique includes upward sweeps you can sweep back to the B string, more efficient but in my opinion not as cool in terms of phrasing.
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Postby Slowhand » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:43 pm

Thank you very much for your answers.
It really will help me ...
I will try the "BluesBopHarry Way" to master this piece.
One last questin to BluesBopHarry:

How long do you think it longs to master this intro in this new
technic and how much time do YOU need to play this intro ?

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Postby justjack » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:23 pm

If you want, you should be able to post the mp3 right here so we all can hear it...just click Add Attachment below and find the file on your computer.

Best,
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Postby Slowhand » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:30 am

OK, I´ll try it tonight
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Postby BluesBopHarry » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:21 am

Slowhand,
First let me clarify that by "bars" I meant "beats"
The technique I use is the "Gypsy Picking" which I learned from M. Horowitz book of the same name. I took me about six month to be able to play comfortably at medium tempos. As I said before I`m very happy with the results.
The picking I proposed for your lick can very well fit into the GP definition* as long as every downstroke is played as a rest stroke.
Stublag`s way can also be GP! But since the DUD pattern can be hard to do at very fast tempos I prefer to do it like I posted ( Keep in mind that DUD will give you better phrasing especially on triplets).
The only thing I don`t do is the backward sweep, but if speed is what you`re going after rather than phrasing you should try it.
Regarding your question, I think for someone with a fully developed GP it wouldn`t take very long to master your intro, for me I don`t really know I`ll see if I can fit it into my daily routine and I`ll tell you if I`ve got it.
Please keep me posted in your advances and if you can post your song so we can all hear it, like jack said.
Good luck!

*Basically GP is about playing rest strokes, a downstroke on every change of string in any direction (otherwise alternate most of the time) and picking from the wrist using gravity in your favor. It`s easier to play a downstroke on a downward string change when it is preceded by an upstroke, so sometimes you play two downs on a row in the same string.
If you are interested I highly recomend you get the book or at least Michael downloadable lesson from Djangobooks.com, he explains the technique very clearly and provides several exercises to help you learn more quickly.
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Postby BluesBopHarry » Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:15 am

Whew!
I just tried it and man!. I did for five minutes and I only got to 85 b.p.m, my guess is that it would take most people a long time to get it to 120.
Are you sure they are sixteenth note triplets?
On the bright side I believe my picking sugestion would work... eventually.
Stublag, Can you play that fast with DUD all the way? :shock:
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Postby Ganondorf » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:32 pm

for fooks sake dammit, just pick the fookin thing and pick it hard! :wink:
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Postby Slowhand » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:51 pm

Thank you, BluesBopHarry,
here is the instrumental.
It took me many hours to record it in this way ( I´ve recorded it last year )
Do you mean the book Gypsy Picking from Michael Horowitz ?
I´ve bought it, but it´s hard for me to imagine that this piece can be played with Gypsy Picking - I will try it ...

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Postby BluesBopHarry » Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:33 pm

The sound in my computer is busted so I haven`t been able to hear that yet.
GP is actually very efficient, is the technique most gypsies use so...
If you have trouble imagining it could be played like that just think Jimmy Rosenberg :wink: or Stochelo, Bireli,etc.
Really try it, will take time but in the end it`ll pay off. I played your lick for a few more minutes and got to 98 b.p.m, and i`m no shreder. I think it would take me about a week to get it everytime at 120.
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