Substitutions for I I7 IV IVm

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Substitutions for I I7 IV IVm

Postby phil_g » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:30 am

Hi. Can anyone recommend some GJ style chord subs for I I7 IV IVm chord progressions please (think 3rd line of muppet show theme).

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Postby justjack » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:41 pm

Subs or just shapes? Some simple thoughts in G:

--5------------------------
--5--3--3--5------------------
--4--2--2--3------------------
--5--3--2--5------------------
--5--2--3--4------------------
--------------------------

a little more modern sounding:

--------------------------
5--5--3--3--------------------
4--5--2--3--------------------
5--3--2--1--------------------
5--5--3--3--------------------
--------------------------

--------------------------
-5--3--5--4-------------------
-4--4--5--5-------------------
-5--3--5--5------------------
-5-------------------------
-3--4--5--5-------------------

or try this in C:
-------------------or for the first two chords:-------
-5--5--6--6----------------3---5
-5--5--5--5----------------2---5-
-5--5--3--3----------------2---5
-7--7-----------------------3--
-8--6--5--4--------------------6---

You could also try some ii-V approach stuff depending on how busy you want to get...G6/Dm7 Db9/C6_9 etc...

Hope that helps,
Jack.
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Postby phil_g » Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:22 pm

Thank you Jack! Some nice ideas to get into :)

I'm intrigued by similar progressions and subs, eg the turnaround in Daphne D69 D7 Gm6 G7b9 which goes minor major on the IV. Interesting, is this a sub for this progression?

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Postby justjack » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:09 pm

phil_g wrote:I'm intrigued by similar progressions and subs, eg the turnaround in Daphne D69 D7 Gm6 G7b9 which goes minor major on the IV. Interesting, is this a sub for this progression?


Is it a particular version of Daphne you're listening to? I've always know that part as D69 D7 G G7b9; I can't think of one where the first G is minor...I've heard some people do the major/minor thing instead of the G7b9 (aka G#dim). You'll hear this a lot in Lulu Swing too-some people play the first two bars of the bridge as G and Gm, others play it as G and G#dim...

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Postby phil_g » Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:50 am

You're right Jack, been playing away from my books too much & started hearing the G as minor :roll:

Melody note is G though so it doesn't clash, maybe it works a bit :?:

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Postby kimmo » Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:38 am

justjack wrote:Is it a particular version of Daphne you're listening to? I've always know that part as D69 D7 G G7b9; I can't think of one where the first G is minor...I've heard some people do the major/minor thing instead of the G7b9 (aka G#dim). You'll hear this a lot in Lulu Swing too-some people play the first two bars of the bridge as G and Gm, others play it as G and G#dim...

Best,
Jack.


This pattern is one of the most used endings in jazz and blues, the French even have a name for it, they call it Christophe. It doesn't much matter which of the two you choose (min or dim), because here the movement from I to V is more important than the harmony in between. If the bass goes up (in G) G-B-C-C#-D it's dim, if it goes down G-F-E-Eb-D it's min.

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