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Speed technique

PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 10:56 am
by Cor
I use Amazing Slow Downer for transcribing the rosenberg trio songs
http://www.ronimusic.com great tool btw

No problem to find the notes played, but now it comes to speed.

Has someone some finger and picking tricks to gain some speed.

What's best to use, up/down, sweep, rest stroke.

I did some search on the forum for standard django licks , nothing found.

Has someone some licks in tab and mp3 format.

You may send it to me at: cdvisser@tref.nl

PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:21 am
by angorawol
In all the manuals and instruction-video's people tell us that rythm and understanding the chords comes before soloing or noodling.
I'm affraid that improving speed is just hard work.
'the first thirthy years are the hardest'

PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2003 4:29 am
by Djangologist
I don't know how much this will help, though it does seem to help me keeping my Django solos up to speed. My own improvised parts aren't as fast yet, but I think thats due to a lack of experience.
DON'T use transciber or slow downer unless ABSOLUTELY nececessary. I mainly use progs like that to get phrasing once I've got all the notes in a particularly fast phrase.
Tips on figuring out notes and phrases without software: Listen for natural pauses in phrases, make sure if you can get nothing else you get the first and last note. Now pick out the notes that indicate any smaller pauses. When the phrases are broken down as much as possible use PHRASING to help you. Once you have a phrase broken down so that only a few notes connect one note to the next its less time consuming to fiddle until you come up with the notes in between, and often times they are scales you're used to with minor variations.
If you learn a solo this way the need to play it at the speed of the recording is a bit more evident to yourself. And play along with the recording once you have the feel for the part.
Hope I was some help with my wordiness.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 3:31 pm
by Zoot
Personally I use transcribe to slow down a phrase enough to find all the notes, after a few years you get to be pretty good at reconising arpeggios and can skip phrase after phrase.
Use Transcribe as much as you need to get the notes in a phrase then switch it off till you get up to speed. Then work on the next phrase.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 3:48 pm
by djangology
Alright Zoot, it seems your absolutely right. I've used CoolEdit, SlowDowner, and SlowGold and this Transcribe thing outclasses them all. I am now addicted. I'll be sitting here figuring out riffs for days.

I can now have myself listening to a slowed down loop within 60 seconds of hearing it on a CD. It rocks! Thanks a bunch for the enlightenment.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:11 pm
by Phydeaux3
All fantastic ideas but still can't beat working it out yourself as mistakes could lead you to inspired improvisation.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 9:56 pm
by djangology
thats true but I also find that once i work out the lick, i experiment with it a little to see how much i can squeeze out of it... which, currently, isn't a whole lot, but im getting better... :P

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:25 pm
by phildiamond
I'm kinda a speedster and something i found that really helps for this style of music is getting down the basic scale like this :

e------------------------------------------------------------------9--11-12--
b-- --------------------------------------------------9--10--12--------------
g-------------------6-8--9(so one octave)9--11---------------------------
d--------6--7--9-------------------------------------------------------------
a--7--9-----------------------------------------------------------------------
e------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Basic major scale. (I know everyone must know this but gotta be sure)

The truth is, the first day i switched to django stuff from blues, i did this and varied it going up and backwards really really quick and got a bunch of jazz guys boggled. when it's extremely simple stuff. And just knowing this alot means that when you're noodling in major you will always have another 16 notes to throw in until you remember what you want to do next, from any place on the neck. Looks extremely easy but it's really useful. try django's tiger or something fast and throw it in and do a bunch of little hammer-ons and such and it sounds like you know what you're talking about
8)

G'luck,
Phil Diamond