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DJANGOS alternate tuning

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 3:05 am
by jackthe hack
2 month ago i had to do a small gypsy bit and was unable to find support,i came here.LOTS OF GOOD INFO.but everyone missed it!!.i downloaded some very good transcription from this link.i found the fingering akward.i inserted the notes into Tabledit and changed the string tuning.i found that the fingering became boxlike instead of all over the fretboard.am i the only one to make this discovery. look at djangos tiger ,(jazz chanson)the notes are on ,yet the finger positions are designed to look cool,yet theyre slow and stupid.gee.......... this feels like open C tuning to me i thunk as i learned some parts.and the diminished sweep he does in like every song i heard, to me could not be done,like THE master. if not for raised third tuning(relative to key)give it a shot.

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 6:21 am
by justjack
No offence, but I think you're out of your mind on this one.

All best,
Jack.

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 10:48 am
by frater
I guess Django had too many fingers to play in open tunings... :D

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 11:20 am
by stublag
justjack wrote:No offence, but I think you're out of your mind on this one.

All best,
Jack.



Thats funny Jack!!!
Notice particularly the open c tuning at the beginning of Improvisation no 1
;-)

Stu

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:56 pm
by kcox
Did I just step into another dimension?

More importantly, does this earth still have pancakes?

K

P.S. The shapes in Django's Tiger make perfect sense to me and are surprisingly simple. That's part of what makes learning Django solos so great!

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 2:38 pm
by Rich
Yeah, I can see why u might be trying to find a way to explain his genius.. but Django didn't use open tunings.

He was just a genius.

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 4:32 pm
by Meshugy
When I was living in Europe I met an older French guitarist who for years was convinced that Django was playing in an open tuning. He couldn't believe that Django could play what he did with only two fingers while using standard tuning. He spent countless hours learning Django's solos in a some alternate tuning which he thought Django might have used. Then, years later he heard a recording where Django played the harmonics at the 12th fret. And it was plain old EADGBE....the poor guy was devastated. Years of practice down the drain....

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:51 am
by emicad
Meshugy wrote:When I was living in Europe I met an older French guitarist who for years was convinced that Django was playing in an open tuning. He couldn't believe that Django could play what he did with only two fingers while using standard tuning. He spent countless hours learning Django's solos in a some alternate tuning which he thought Django might have used. Then, years later he heard a recording where Django played the harmonics at the 12th fret. And it was plain old EADGBE....the poor guy was devastated. Years of practice down the drain....

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Hahahahah....
:lol: :lol: :lol:

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:50 pm
by wirralgitane
Its interesting though, he would of been exposed to open tunings dew to all the travellers (ship men, travelling musicians, blues players, BANJO players! he started on that instrument anyway!) knocking around. Does anyone have a version of any tune they play in open tuning?

I was going through the shapes of django's tiger and the first bit when it kicks in, where its (i play 10TH FRET with applied rhythm) A, Ab, B, A, A, Ab Ab F# F## etc but how on earth are you ment to finger that next kinda dimished sounding notes, it plays like the same run, then a semitone up kinda thing, i hope this makes sense, its just that if it was in open tuning or i herd django liked to solo on just the first 4 high strings (like banjo) and it was easier it would make sense.

Being knew i understand i'm naive but i listen to Brazil and this and i'm like how the hell? i suppose that's why he IS the master.
Any info would be great! especially someone using the open tunings.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:10 pm
by Ganondorf
hi wirralgitane. There is no big secret to the playing of django. If you study his solos you will find that most of the time he is playing over the chord shapes (arpeggiated) and what i like aswell is that sometimes, he plays stuff that when written down ,doesnt make sense but it just works. Which sometimes make you wonder if they are happy accidents or intentional genius :D

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:19 pm
by wirralgitane
On the same cloud there cheif! In a book of analysis of Django i've got it does mention that later on (maybe because of his attraction to Be-Bop) some of the things don't sound right but in context harmonically it does make sense.
Maybe he's thinking of a melody so whilst he thinks he just incorporates things he knows that just work, arpeggios, chromatic runs etc but then he just does something thats so far unexpected (well to me) you think wow you knew what you were doing all the time.. His magic tricks he has under his sleave (up his collar around his bow tie down the back of his shirt, round his pants :? into his socks and back up into his other hand and pops out on the fret board!) stunning, more than getting hit by a golf ball.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:53 pm
by nwilkins
wirralgitane wrote:
Its interesting though, he would of been exposed to open tunings dew to all the travellers (ship men, travelling musicians, blues players, BANJO players! he started on that instrument anyway!)


Django started out on a six string banjo that was tuned like a guitar.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:07 am
by wirralgitane
it was violin actually :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:13 pm
by Cattermole
wirralgitane wrote:it was violin actually :lol:


I've put my money on nwilkins.

Don't doubt wilkins or Dupont on all things Django...............ever. :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:45 pm
by Teddy Dupont
Cattermole wrote:
wirralgitane wrote:it was violin actually :lol:




I've put my money on nwilkins.

Don't doubt wilkins or Dupont on all things Django...............ever. :lol:


:oops: :oops: :oops: Awe! Shucks!

The fact is that like so much about Django, particularly his early life, we do not know for certain. Delaunay and Grappelli were both inconsistent in their periodic re-telling of the Reinhardt saga. Dregni states categorically that Django started on violin but much as I applaud his excellent books about the maestro and Gypsy Jazz, he does tend to state assumptions and conjecture as fact which makes a nice read but causes great concern to anally retentive anoraks like myself.

My view is that Django probably did start on violin before he was given the guitar (or as Nick more accurately states the banjo-guitar) he craved. But the more worrying questions are when did he learn to play the bass and could he actually play the trombone?

In the context of the posts, Nick's statement is correct.